Someone needs to tell Dave Sim that more words do not necessarily lead to clarity.
That would imply though that it was one thing we're talking about, that most self proclaimed ‘feminists’ are not following agendas that are in fact of their own constructing, something cobbled together by their experiences as a women for those who are - and as people who most likely have know one or two for those who aren’t - the knowledge that it’s fundamentally unfair to judge a person on pluming or skin colour, and ideas picked up from those ideologies that they’ve been exposed to.
That they all follow a set of rules that have been uniformly agreed upon and that are presented as a nice single balloon for his logic needle to prod.
Looks nice in a thesis, but in the real world?
No human movement is made up of a true cohesive vision that can be dissected as though it were a unified whole.
For each person involved, each brings their version of the thing to the table and invariably presents it as if it were the same thing as the other folk’s version. Truth is there are all sorts who claim badges shared by others, and all sorts includes people who are just plain kooky, angry or otherwise reacting to the nastiness of the world with more nastiness.
There are also those who simply want things to be reasonably fair, nothing more. There are few if any secret agendas, conspiracies, or motives shared by more than a hand full at any given time.
And thinking? That’s been out of style for some time Dave, the ‘left’ has no monopoly there.
Feminism - as all ism’s are - is an idea. At its inception no more complex than that equality is better than oppression.
Ideas are fluid, intangible things that morph and adapt. It’s been split into a million sub-ideas, some hair brained and some quite logical but wholly fascistic. And still some who claim the badge simply want things to be reasonably fair.
You may try to pin them all down with nice labels, like ‘Marxist Feminist’. But if you look under the label even a moment latter you’ll likely find that the ideas have flown the coop already, morphed into something else. If you can pin a living movement down to a single set of rhetorical notions then it’s probably a dead movement with no real live humans involved, or maybe a minority of one.
Trying to make it make sense and help folks see the light is silly. These are humans we’re talking about. They see the light aright, all of them. For every idea there is at least a few dozen. And none of us, you included Dave, are sufficiently wise enough to know for cretin which is the true light.
And apparently you haven’t figured this out yet Dave, but those character traits you seem to always associate with women are really just basically human traits. Some people carry them more than others; I don’t think the statistical numbers fall especially heavy on the ladies side, men are just socialized In the west to play things closer to the chest and not let you know what they’re really thinking. And that’s started to change too.
I haven’t seen one idea or negative trait or inequity as outlined in all these long rants from Dave that I can safely say I’ve not seen as much from men as women. And at least one or two in you Dave. Like, resorting to supposedly ‘logical arguments’ that in fact boil down to simple character assassination….?
Yes, I know, technically that last line is potentially the same thing too. But here’s the thing. Dave presents his argument as though there were no personal emotional aspects to it. As though it isn’t of him as a person but of him as a logical mind. Except, he’s frothing a bit, though I doubt he’s aware – totally got his shit under control he does, he thinks. I wont’ speculate as to what the sources are, but Dave? Dude, you are so the angry man cliché, take a pill [figuratively] and go lay in the sun somewhere. Give the old brain a rest.
posted by max at Tuesday, March 30, 2004


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